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Before we even start on this subject,
lets lay down some first principles.

1. The Globe is nothing more than an idea based in theory and pseudo science, the Globe model is not real and it has never been proven, The Globe is just a concept. 

2. The term "Flat Earth" is nothing more than a loaded term, It means absolutely nothing. it's just a trigger phrase - like the word "conspiracy" - which has been attached all sorts of false and misrepresented nonsense.

There is no "Flat Earth",  "Flat Earth" is simply about asking questions and discovering the true nature of our reality,  it's about finding out where we actually are.

It is not about religious dogma and/or scientific belief structures - belief is the enemy of knowing - this is about objective facts, and nothing else. 


The reality is that we have no true map or model of the Earth, everything we have been taught about where we think we are is a lie, and no one will ever never know the true full dimensions of this earth unless we are allowed full, independent, exploration of it.
 

3. If you make a claim - you MUST have a clear demonstrable example of the claim that you are making, That means that you must provide something which is quantifiable, as well as visible. If you cannot provide a demonstrable example, then the claim has no substance and is nothing more than a theory.

claims being made about our objective reality must also be made without holding any personal bias towards any particular outcome. It doesn't matter how you feel about something, if that something is shown to be different than and contrary from what you thought or wanted it to be - then that's just the way that it is.

Our objective reality does not revolve around your personal bias and feelings towards it. 
all that matters here is what can you prove and demonstrate to yourself - using the Scientific Method. Everything else only leads to confusion. 

Photo or a Painting?

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4 Pictures are not proofs. Yes they are nice to look at, and pictures do bring a lot to the table, but if you have an image with no quantifiable proof to back up it's claim - then it's not proof of anything, it's just an image with someones interpretation attached to it - images can be misrepresented, misinterpreted, and very easily manipulated, they are not scientific proofs on their own. 

5. You cannot measure the ground below your feet by looking at the sky and making assumptions. 

The celestial bodies/lights above our heads - are simply just visible phenomenon in the sky which are open to interpretation

They have never been touched, and are for the time being - intangible. They are not proof of anything. No one has been and touched the sun to quantify it, and no one has measured or circumnavigated venus, the moon, or mars. 

6. Objective reality is not up for debate. It can only be discussed.
Facts are facts, and it is what it is.. Our everyday experience of life on this Earth is that it is a level plane, this is indisputable.


This whole question is about discovering the true nature of our reality and finding out where we actually are. It is not a debate, it is not about religious dogma and/or scientific belief structures, this is about objective facts, and nothing else. 

Science should always be an open book.

Belief is the enemy of knowing.

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